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Once again, indebted to Pog for this. I’ve been wondering what happened to LiMux, and he has kindly provided the link.

Apologies to our German friends, but I think this needs Googling into English. I’ll try to tidy it up, but I don’t promise much.


The LiMux project is on schedule, and meeting expectations.

The LiMux project, as of 12.12.2011, has migrated 9,000. PC workstation in the Civil Engineering Department to the new LiMux client.

This means that the LiMux project is proceeding faster than expected: 8500 PC workstations were planned from 2011 to the end of the year. Equally, more or less all MS Office suites have been uninstalled, with a few authorized exceptions.

The County Administration Department is still a little way from completing the transition from MS Office to 3.2.1, because in some cases, there are specialized processes and workflows whose dependencies are still too large. But the more we succeed in being able to run the corresponding “open platform administrative procedures” either by replacing them or by virtualization, the sooner we will be able to replace the last MS Office suites by

In 2012, we plan to migrate the remaining 3,000 seats to the PC LiMux client and will prepare the transfer of operations.

At that point, the remaining proprietary solutions will be moved over to open platform solutions.


Well, I’m prepared to go that far for y’all, and I’m even prepared to highlight the insane “if everything else fails, we use WINE” coda to this crap.

I’ve run out of energy to compare it against their original claims, however. Numbers? Timescales? Costs? Benefits?

Your timer starts … now!


(I’m not really convinced by “Civil Engineering Department, btw. Not being up with Bayernischen administration, I suspect this is more “housing and public buildings.” But, whatever. Corrections welcome.)

#1 Posted by ReverseControllerSE on Dec 14, 2011 5:53 PM

Wait, a virtualised MSO install counts as “replaced by OOo” – that there is some very interesting methodology.

Does a virtualised Windows install count as Linux?

Was Pogson right all along then?

Are we simply not crazy enough to see their hallucinated reality?!

Would we even want to? Would anyone?

#2 Posted by administrator on Dec 15, 2011 2:46 AM

I like how this is considered “on schedule” when it was supposed to be completed years ago.

Pogson apparently was a teacher of some sort so even he should be able to understand that when a project requires an extension, it’s officially considered late (see link).

#3 Posted by administrator on Dec 15, 2011 2:47 AM

Oh, and it’s over budget by another 6 million euros.

#4 Posted by ChrisTX on Dec 15, 2011 2:48 AM

Funny that OOo was cut from Oracle.. Let’s say, Novell backed out of it, too. Would they migrate back to mso? :D

#5 Posted by Gesh on Dec 15, 2011 4:27 AM

“Wait, a virtualised MSO install counts as “replaced by OOo” – that there is some very interesting methodology.”

My thoughts exactly. Btw, Bayern is the wealthiest Bundesland, why the hell are they wasting time with this.

#6 Posted by administrator on Dec 15, 2011 4:57 AM

Because they obviously have money to burn.

#7 Posted by DrLoser on Dec 15, 2011 5:50 AM

This “authorized exceptions” thing, btw. Do you think it applies to the janitorial staff, or to the Chief Operating Officer type of employee?

I’ve wondered about that as a general thing with these “migrations.” It’s a fair bet that the likes of me would end up with the Big Purple One, but somehow I cannot see my boss tolerating it.

On the other hand, obviously you wouldn’t want him (always a him, for some reason) to have to put up with the lack of Open Standards and general compatibility woes that using his old Windows desktop, work laptop, and home laptop would cause …

... so presumably these bozos end up with a brand new Apple Mac desktop and a couple of Powerbooks.

A whole new vision of creative IT accountancy opens up before me!

#8 Posted by Conzo on Dec 15, 2011 6:30 AM

@DrLoser: Exactly my thought. Somehow I doubt that the head honchos put up with that kind of crap, and in Germany (like elsewhere) they make their own laws … erm … exceptions to laws.

Can’t really blame them though. If I’m in a position with enough authority to say 'I can’t do my job without ', I’d most certainly do so.

It’s quite part of the culture here in DE that bosses and professors get away with the most insulting abuses of power known to mankind (I heard about a professor who refused to take examinations where the candidate wasn’t dressed in a suit – that boggles my DutchBred brain, because a fossil like that would be hung, drawn and quartered by both students, student bodies and faculty leaders. But somehow they just put up with it over here … ... but I digress)

#9 Posted by DrLoser on Dec 15, 2011 4:51 PM

Gaaah ... you people have been missing the links out. Need I translate once more?


“The MOGDy project received a “Best Practice Certificate” via the European Public Sector Awards (EPSA) 2011 in the category of “Opening Up the Public Sector Through Collaborative Governance.”

EPSA is a project of the European Institute of Public Administration (EIPA), supported by 15 EU member countries1, which has existed since 2007 and highlights innovative ideas in the public sector. 274 projects in 2011 took part in the competition. The winner of “Best Practice Certificate” can be seen here.

#10 Posted by DrLoser on Dec 15, 2011 5:11 PM

No edit available, sorry. I will press on:

“The Ready2Open questionnaire – an example of the successful cooperation between LHM and community.”

[Nothing quite like a questionnaire, is there? Other than logo contests]

“We collected the current state of management in open government as part of the eGovernment “Strategy & Roadmap project” in the state capital Munich.

“The questionnaire used for this purpose, which we call the “Ready2Open Assessment,” was developed by the IT strategy of the state capital Munich, Germany and the Open Knowledge Foundation with the active support of MOGDy / Open Government / Open Data community developed in Germany.”

[I thought of translating that to make it less senseless, but then I let it stand.]

“This was developed as the basis for the development of the Netreadiness analysis of eGovernment manual of the Federal Ministry of the Interior.

“With the 'Ready2Open’ analysis, an authority can perform a self-analysis of their desire and ability to implement open government and open data in a structured manner.

“The analysis focuses on the current state of ICT. It’s not about the planning of a target. It’s formulated as a question:

“How able is the authority to fulfil requirements of transparency, cooperation and participation and the use of social and web 2.0 technologies in its interaction with the citizens, enterprises and online communities?”

[That might be an errant translation, but it sure sounds like a target to me…]

“The development of such an instrument within a few weeks was possible only through dedicated work by, and quality input from the community. It shows how to run a successful collaboration between government and interested citizens and organizations.

“The 'Ready2Open Assessment’ has already received international attention. A short time after a presentation of the instrument on the Open Government Data Camp 2011 in Warsaw, a Chinese version of the 'Ready2Open’ questionnaire was created.”

#11 Posted by DrLoser on Dec 15, 2011 5:15 PM

usw usw. I’m getting a little concerned about this MOGDy crap. A few random penniless loonies in basements is one thing, but a bunch of well-funded unelected council bureaucrats is another thing entirely.

God, it’s difficult enough to get anything useful out of them at the moment. Can you imagine what it will be like if they’re all hooked up on Loon?

PS the [1] up there, for those outside Europe, was a reaction to the number “15.” Even if you exclude the UK (which both sides seem to want at the moment), that leaves 11 other EU countries who are not bat-sh1t insane.

I want to see that list. I may need refuge at some point.

#12 Posted by ReverseControllerSE on Dec 15, 2011 5:20 PM

Really Doctor, they just don’t count the riffraff in.

And they shouldn’t, let the glories of FLOSS be denied to the unworthy – it’s better that way (we may all need a safe haven in the times before us – a haven safe from FLOSS, that is).

#13 Posted by DrLoser on Dec 15, 2011 5:32 PM

Wohlgemerkt, this “Best Practice Certificate” when you are but a single Loon organisation — they only let Loons in for this one — amongst 274 of the fsckers …

It does rather make you wonder how dire the other 273 had to be, doesn’t it?

#14 Posted by blakeyrat on Dec 18, 2011 12:19 PM

Slashdot has always been Slashdot, but at least they used to be fast. We’ve been discussing this here for 4 days before Slashdot got a hold of it… pathetic.

#15 Posted by DrLoser on Dec 18, 2011 12:21 PM

Well, even Pog has managed about a dozen articles since then.

On the other hand, he has nothing better to do. Slashdotters are still busy scurrying around looking for that last special IRIX adminstration job, or something.

#16 Posted by Chlorus on Dec 18, 2011 1:58 PM

The slashdotters have started to infect with their whining, self-absorbed sperglord crap, which is saddening.

#17 Posted by DrLoser on Dec 20, 2011 6:32 PM

Well, we hit on it first (six days ago, I think).

Pog-San hit on it five days later.

And LHB has just now hit on it for comment number 1230.

It’s a sad world we live in , ins’t it?

Particularly since I nicked it off Pog’s site in the first place. I even translated the damn thing off his link, only to find that his translation (five days later) is probably slightly better.

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